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Argument: Vows are about love, not reproduction; gays qualify

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(Argument: Wedding vows are about love/commitment; gays qualify moved to Argument: Vows are about love, not reproduction; gays qualify)
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(Extended argument - Removed the Christian element. Civil seems to offer a stronger case.)
 
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==Extended argument== ==Extended argument==
-The traditional Medieval Christian ceremony, commences with the officiant performing the ceremony asking a couple to join hands before asking each, groom first, the following question: +The Standard Civil Ceremony is as follows:
-"[Name], do you take [Name] to be your wedded [husband/wife] to live together in marriage. Do you promise to love, comfort, honor and keep [him/her] For better or worse, for richer or poorer, in sickness and in health. And forsaking all others, be faithful only to [him/her] so long as you both shall live?" +"[Name], I take you to be my lawfully wedded [husband/wife]. Before these witnesses I vow to love you and care for you as long as we both shall live. I take you, with all of your faults and strengths, as I offer myself to you with my faults and strengths. I will help you when you need help, and will turn to you when I need help. I choose you as the person with whom I will spend my life."
-The Standard Civil Ceremony is very similar except that the bride and groom make statements for themselves rather than answering questions. They do this as follows: +The emphasis is squarely on commitment and love, and has nothing to do with reproduction and starting a family.
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-"[Name], I take you to be my lawfully wedded [husband/wife]. Before these witnesses I vow to love you and care for you as long as we both shall live. I take you, with all of your faults and strengths, as I offer myself to you with my faults and strengths. I will help you when you need help, and will turn to you when I need help. I choose you as the person with whom I will spend my life." +
-In both cases, we see that the emphasis is squarely on commitment and love, and has nothing to do with reproduction and starting a family. On this core, clearly gays qualify for marriage, because they can love and commit do commit to each other.+On this core, clearly gays qualify for marriage, because they can love and commit do commit to each other.

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The Standard Civil Ceremony is as follows:

"[Name], I take you to be my lawfully wedded [husband/wife]. Before these witnesses I vow to love you and care for you as long as we both shall live. I take you, with all of your faults and strengths, as I offer myself to you with my faults and strengths. I will help you when you need help, and will turn to you when I need help. I choose you as the person with whom I will spend my life."

The emphasis is squarely on commitment and love, and has nothing to do with reproduction and starting a family.

On this core, clearly gays qualify for marriage, because they can love and commit do commit to each other.

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