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Is Christianity compatible with Jewish culture and tradition?

Background and Context of Debate:

The term "Messianic Jews" refers to all ethnic Jews who accept Jesus Christ (Hebrew: ישוע המשיח, Yeshua haMashiach) as the Messiah prophesied in the Old Testament. At the moment they are in the minority among worldwide Jewry and in Israel, as many Jews feel that to accept Christianity compromises their culture and heritage, as well as remembering the many times that anti-Semitism has occurred in some churches (usually nominal).

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Harmony/contradictions between Jewish and Christian scriptures

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Please deal with the well-documented historical information in the only website of the Israeli Netzarim (Hellenized to "Nazarene") Jews, in Israel, at www.netzarim.co.il

Click in the "History Museum" in the navigation panel at the left of our home page and deal with the info in all of the pages in the menu that will display at the top. You'll find it's well-documented, indisputable and far too extensive to reproduce in this forum.





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Anti-Semitism and the New Testament

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Read the classic work on antisemitism by the late Oxford historian James Parkes: The Conflict of the Church and the Synagogue.

Then please deal with the well-documented historical information in the only website of the Israeli Netzarim (Hellenized to "Nazarene") Jews, in Israel, at www.netzarim.co.il

Click in the "History Museum" in the navigation panel at the left of our home page and deal with the info in all of the pages in the menu that will display at the top. You'll find it's well-documented, indisputable and far too extensive to reproduce in this forum.





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Other arguments concerning Christ's messiahhood

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  • If Jesus was not the messiah, then who was he? He can't have been a deliberate liar, because a deliberate liar would never die for what they do not believe in. Neither can he have been mad, for two reasons- there is nothing at all in the gospels to suggest this, and also the fact that so many people rallied to him in his lifetime and since then have testified unashamedly to his having completely transformed their lives for good. No one rallies to somebody who is obviously mad.
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Jesus and the Messianic Old Testament prophecies

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  • That Jesus fulfilled many old Testament prophecies in his 33 year lifetime is fairly obvious. The New Testament is full of Old Testament quotes, often introduced something like this: "This happened in order to fulfil (quote)". For a list of messianic prophecies that Jesus fulfilled, go to wwww.bibleevidences.com, go to the prophecy section, and then scroll down to the bit about the messianic prophecies.
  • The Jewish scriptures make it clear that there will always be a descendant of King David on the throne of Israel. You cannot logically accept this unless you also accept that Jesus is the Son of God, because he was descended from David via his foster-father Joseph.
  • The messianic prophecies clearly apply to Christ and none other. Christ's life was described in great detail by the prophets, and many of the fulfilments of those prophecies could not possibly have been arranged by a con man. How could Jesus have chosen his town of birth, betrayal price, his method of execution (crucifixion was a execution method that no one in their right mind would chose, and dying on a tree as prophesied was in Jewish tradition viewed as probably the most ignominious way to die), his betrayer, that he would be mocked, spat on, wounded (but without breaking any bones) and would have his clothes gambled for in the lead up to his death?
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The historical 1st century Pharisee Jew Ribi (Torah-teacher) certainly fulfilled a number of prophecies. However, Jesus Christ of 2nd-4th century Christianity, which is the Jesus and "Yeshua hamashiach" known by ALL Christians including "Messianics," is a false image created and redacted into the Christian accounts between the 2nd-4th centuries. It's the 21st century. Isn't it long overdue for Christians to dig into the real historical Pharisee Jew Ribi and find out what he taught? Follow truth instead of denying reality to cling to false, misojudaic beliefs of the 2nd-4th century Hellenist Roman gentiles (who were the same Hellenists who killed the Pharisee Ribi Yehoshua, BTW--and still hate "Pharisees" today) just because it's what you've been told? Study for yourself instead of relying on men--including translators.

Deal with the well-documented historical information in the only website of the Israeli Netzarim (Hellenized to "Nazarene") Jews, in Israel, at www.netzarim.co.il

Click in the "History Museum" in the navigation panel at the left of our home page and deal with the info in all of the pages in the menu that will display at the top. You'll find it's well-documented, indisputable and far too extensive to reproduce in this forum.





References:

www.netzarim.co.il James Parkes, The Conflict of the Church and the Synagogue Yirmeyahu Ben-David, Who Are the Netzarim? (Schueller House, Colorado) Yirmeyahu Ben-David, NHM, The Netzarim Reconstruction of Hebrew Matityahu (Schueller House),,,

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